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PostSubject: One Numerology System   Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:44 pm

From La Via Del Tarot:

The ten keys:
1) Beginning of a new cycle, everything in potential
Aces, Trumps I and XI

2)Accumulation, preparation for action
II's, Trumps II and XII

3) Creative explosion, profound transformation
III's, Trumps III and XII

4)Equilibrium, stability
IIII's, Trumps IIII and XIIII

5)New ideal, desire to go further, bridge, middleman
V's, Trumps V and XV

6) Opening, pleasure, doing what one enjoys
VI's, Trumps VI and XVI

7) Hard action, activity
VII's, Trumps VII and XVII

Cool Perfection, receptivity
VIII's, Trumps VIII and XVIII

9)Positive crisis, new construction (like a baby in the 9th month)
VIIII's, Trumps VIIII and XVIIII

10)End of cycle, completion of the experience, new beginning
X's, Trumps X and XX

Now just remember the suits:
Epee: Intellect, frontal cortex, brow level stuff
Coupe: Emotions, heart level stuff
Coins: Material, belly level stuff
Batons: Creative/sexual, groin level stuff


Le Mat is an outside, transitional card. He strips the energy from the card he is leaving behind and brings it to the card ahead of him. I think that might be what he has in the bag. cheekywink.gif
Le Monde is also outside. LeMonde is totality, it is the culmination of the whole deck.

The Cups suit corresponds to the Angel, the Swords to the Eagle, the Batons to the Lion, and the Coins to the Bull. The Trumps are the woman, the dancing female figure of the alchemists.
The four creatures are the four fixed signs (with the eagle as the higher emanation of Scorpio), the four Apostles, etc. etc.
Now, Jodo uses this card as a kind of key to the whole deck. The creatures on the top, the Angel and the eagle, are sky creatures, and those on the bottom are earth creatures. The figures on the left-hand side are feminine or at lest androgynous and therefore receptive. The creatures on the right-hand side are male - lionesses don't have manes. And the eagle on the Jodo-Camoin has a... (how shall I phrase it, in this venue? Kickstand?)

The Bull is receptive Earth, the Angel is receptive Heavens, the Lion is active earth, and the Eagle is active Heavens. (Jodo uses "active" and "receptive" rather than the usual "feminine" and "masculine" - not to be overly PC, but because he sees it as more accurate - women can be active, men receptive.)

Valets encompass II and III.
Reynes encompass IIII and V.
Roys encompass VI and VII.
Cavaliers encompass VIII and VIIII.

Valets encompass both 2 and 3, the passive, receptive preparation to act and the creative explosion. They are immature and indecisive: "I want to talk to someone I'm attracted to/get a job/go on stage etc. etc. but I'm scared, I can't decide..." Even their feet point in two different directions!
Valets stand at the "door of the castle", trying to get up the nerve to enter...

Reynes encompass 4 and 5, both the stability and the desire to go further. They are "inside the castle", they embody the energies of the suit.

Roys encompass both 6 and 7, both the luxury of doing what one wants and the hard action in the world. They stand "on the roof of the castle" looking out over the kingdom, surveying the realm. When you see a Roy, a change is often approaching. What card is the Roy's glance directed at?

Cavaliers encompass both 8 and 9, perfection and positive crisis. They "ride out from the castle". The King may be the Cavalier's boss, but the Cavalier advances beyond the King. It's more about function than rank.

Hope that made sense.

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PostSubject: Re: One Numerology System   Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:33 pm

1-Just for me Stella Jodo has not a serious and sustained approach to TdM.
He is always talking about himself...

2-He has not a sustained meaning of the origin of numbers,aside his etereal conclusions...
He go round in circles always.

3-Never recognized her Master Tchalai Unger in his book.
That is a sign ...
Call to to Enrique Enriquez if I am wrong.
Jodo: A liar.

4-How cost his "help" btw dear friend ? / How much his book ?

I know you can distinguish the difference...
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PostSubject: Re: One Numerology System   Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:25 pm

eugim wrote:
1-Just for me Stella Jodo has not a serious and sustained approach to TdM.
He is always talking about himself...

He does talk about himself quite a bit...Laughing

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2-He has not a sustained meaning of the origin of numbers,aside his etereal conclusions...
He go round in circles always.

I don't think he claims to have the origin. He simply offers a system.

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3-Never recognized her Master Tchalai Unger in his book.
That is a sign ...

And legends abound - that she taught him, but also that they were taught by the same person.

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Call to to Enrique Enriquez if I am wrong.
Jodo: A liar.

He may well have told some whoppers over the years, I don't know.

Enrique likes him, though.

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4-How cost his "help" btw dear friend ? / How much his book ?

List price $16.95 - not bad for a good-sized book like that.

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I know you can distinguish the difference...


Never had a problem with Jodo's book, there's actually things in there I've been able to use. It's one of the very few decent Tarot books available.

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PostSubject: Re: One Numerology System   Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:40 pm

-Well,I am not agree with you on the overall but that paragraph let me thinking...


"And legends abound - that she taught him, but also that they were taught by the same person. "

-So who was that person that taught both ?
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PostSubject: Re: One Numerology System   Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:06 am

-There is no problem Stella.
If Jodo works for you it is all okay my friend.
It is good to find a system that helps to understand the sequence,that is by itself a very complicate topic of TdM.
-I only said that Jodo start from his preconceptions of the depiction of the cards instead to start from theirs iconography.
I think that the best way is start from the image itself,do a comparison with another decks and have an intense visual point of view.
The meaning of the cards must come as a result of this.
Cards speaks from themselves.
Let s them talk...
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PostSubject: Re: One Numerology System   Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:01 pm

eugim wrote:
-There is no problem Stella.
If Jodo works for you it is all okay my friend.

I think he contributed a lot.

He's spent his life working with symbols and images - film, graphic novels - he's got a good eye for this kind of thing. And he ADMITS that know one really knows where the Tarot comes from or what the original deck makers intended.

The problem comes in when people start taking Jodo (or Unger, or anyone) as the Final Word, the Grand Master, the Revered Elder. Mad You see that on forums a lot.

We live in a world of duality and there are no pedestals that should not be smashed.
Mother Teresa, for example, dedicated her life to helping people with horrible diseases living in grinding poverty. She was called a Living Saint. But on the other hand, it could be said that she prolonged people's suffering while trying to convert them to her religion.

One view is as valid as the other.

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PostSubject: Re: One Numerology System   Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:45 pm

Of course...

-All books are only references,one more valuable than other.
If one find that an author "fit" with his or her thoughts,so go ahead.
The same with what one can find on the web.

-That is why I always insist on study the cards by oneself,having mind many references,but trying to create an own idea of the image of the cards.
And also because there was not a single historical book of Tdm that explain the cards,just because the cards explain for themselves.
We have to decode them first with ours own eyes aside what we heard and only then check for references.
It is a sure exercise to compares a card of a deck with many others decks.
Studying the iconography and the time when were done.
Finding examples of difference and similarity,one step by step will "create" an opinion or at least a supposition.
But it will yours ...
Then you can contrast it with the other point of view.
Because now one can sustain the opinion as a result of a study done earlier.
Right or wrong,but it is yours.
You are tell me what you see on a card not what you heard somewhere.
And we can be agree or not,that is not the point for me...
The real point is that we are talking about the cards,strictly on an iconographic sense.
The meaning of the cards is a private topic,a private conclusion so I have the highest respect be agree or not...
-But the iconography of the cards is a fact without discussion I think.
The details are there in front of us...
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PostSubject: Re: One Numerology System   Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:11 pm

-5000000 POINTS FOR FAIL

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